Armée Saoudienne

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A prime potential customer for Pakistani nukes is Saudi Arabia, which fears increased Iranian aggression once Iran acquires nukes. The Saudis have already bought ballistic missiles from China (which is suspected of supplying Pakistan with some nuclear weapons technology.) Saudi Arabia has the cash to buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan (along with the technology to build a ballistic missile warhead for them). Saudi Arabia would need several dozen nuclear weapons to provide them with an adequate counter to Iranian nukes. This would benefit Pakistan in that Iranian control of Arab oil in the Persian Gulf would put Pakistan at a disadvantage against their Iranian neighbor.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htchem/20110720.aspx

Shahine missile sur véhicule blindé - to Armoured vehicle

[quote]Description
Le missile sol-air d’intervention à basse altitude Shanine, construit spécialement pour l’Arabie Saoudite, est le prolongement logique du Crotale. Thomson-CSF a assumé la mise au point des radars et des systèmes électroniques, tandis qu’Engins Matra réalisait le missile proprement dit. Sa mise à l’étude remonte à 1975 et sa fabrication en série à 1979 , après essais réussis sur prototypes. Sa livraison à l’Arabie Saoudite s’est échelonnée entre 1982 et 1983. au total, trente-six systèmes complets ont été vendus, ainsi que cinquante-trois canons de D.C.A. de 30 mm destinés à assurer la protection rapprochée des batteries de missiles pendant leur réapprovisionnement. Le Shanine comprend une unité de tir et un système d’acquisition, tous deux montés sur un châssis AMX-30 MBT modifié, dont le blindage offre une bonne protection au personnel et au matériel. Ses possibilités tout terrain marquent en outre un progrès sensible par rapport au véhicule à roues qui était affecté au Crotale. Le système d’acquisition se compose d’un grand radar à impulsion Doppler et d’un récepteur numérique pour l’analyse des paramètres de déplacement de la cible. L’ordinateur de traitement de l’information et d’évaluation de la menace peut mettre en mémoire jusqu’à quarante cibles et en couvrir effectivement dix-huit. Chaque système d’acquisition peut piloter jusqu’à quatre unités de tir. L’unité de tir Shanine dispose de six missiles prêts à l’emploi, contre quatre avec le modèle de base Crotale. Le réapprovisionnement se fait par grue. Le radar à trois canaux peut suivre et piloter deux missiles simultanément. Il les repère pendant la première partie de leur vol grâce à un détecteur à infrarouge réglé sur la longueur d’onde des radiations produites par leurs réacteurs. Un écran de télévision placé dans la tourelle de tir permet de suivre visuellement l’objectif et les missiles et donc de déjouer le brouillages ennemis. Le missile proprement dit est un R.460 dérivé du R.440 Crotale de chez Matra. Il est plus long et plus lourd que lui, et son moteur-fusée SNPE à deux étages dont la durée de combustion a été portée à 4,5 secondes (contre 2,5 s pour le Crotale) lui confère une vitesse maximale de l’ordre de Mach 2. Autre progrès sensible, les unités de feu et d’acquisition de cible peuvent être déployées plus largement, et il n’est plus nécessaire de les stopper pour les relier par câble avant l’engagement. La transmission des données et en effet assurée par un système automatique d’émission-réception à ondes ultracourtes. Ces perfectionnements, ajoutés à la portée améliorée des radars de guidage et des missiles, font du Shanine une arme plus performante que son prédécesseur, le Crotale. Sans aucun doute, cette arme vendue à de nombreux pays.
Variantes :
Aucune
Armement
6 missiles Shanine
Pays Utilisateurs
Arabie Saoudite
Poids de lancement
100 kg
Altitude minimale
12.000 m
Plafond
6.100 m
Vitesse missile
Mach 2
Portée
10.000 à 13.500 m
Radar d'accompagnement
Radar d'acquisition monté sur le même châssis de véhicule . Shahine unité d'acquisition.



Missile
Deux groupe de trois missiles dans des conteneurs de forme cylindrique.
Support missile
est un gros bloc rectangulaire, avec un radar de forme circulaire placé au centre, avec les trois conteneurs de missiles placés l'un au dessus de l'autre. Un groupe de trois de chaque côté du radar.
Coque
Est de forme rectangulaire, avec l'avant fortement incliné, une grande trappe d'accès moteur est placé à l'avant. A l'arrière du flanc droit , est placé un grand pot d'échappement.
Suspension
est composé de 5 roues de route, avec plaque de blindage de protection.
Accessoires
L'arrière de la coque, dispose de coffres de rangement.






1. Trois tubes lanceur à gauche et à droite du bloc missile.
2. Grand radar de forme rond au centre du bloc missile.
3. Deux emplacement pour les membres d'équipage à l'avant de la coque.
4. Trappe d'accès à l'avant de la coque.
5. Cinq roues de route
6. Grille d'échappement à l'arrière du flanc gauche de la coque.
7. Avant des tubes missile de forme arrondie.
8.Groupe de deux phares à l'avant gauche et droit de la coque.

9. Deux marche-pieds de forme rectangulaire dans la partie inférieure de l'avant de la coque.
10. Bloc d'échappement à l'arrière du flanc droit de la coque.
11. Grosses boîtes de rangement à l'arrière de la coque.
12. Jupe de protection sur la partie supérieure du train de roulement.
13. Petite porte d'accès à l'arrière du flanc droit, devant le bloc d'échappement.
14. Chaque tube lanceur a une forme de cigare.
15. Deux boîtes de forme rectangulaires à l'arrière du bloc missile.
[quote]http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/France/vehicules_missiles/Shahine/Shahine_France_description.htm

BAE Systems to upgrade EW capabilities on Saudi fighter jets

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BAE Systems today announced a $367M contract to deliver 70 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)/Common Missile Warning Systems (CMWS) to upgrade F-15S fighter jets in support of the Royal Saudi Air Force.

http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_046489/bae-systems-to-upgrade-ew-capabilities-on-saudi-fighter-jets

Avec bientôt un total de 150 F15 dont 80 tout neufs et 70 en voie d'upgrade et 72 Eurofighter, l'armée de l'air saoudienne s'impose comme la première armée de l'air arabe. Reste à savoir maintenant les restrictions quant à l'utilisation des avions US et surtout les capacités nationales pour l'emploi et l'entretien de machines aussi sophistiquées. Mais s'ils mettent le paquet sur la formation des équipages et des techniciens (ils en ont les moyens) il est évident qu'ils constitueront bientôt une puissance régionale certaine.

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Saudi Arabia takes on PC-21 aircraft and the Hawk Mk 128
May 19th, 4:05

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According to the information the magazine "Flight International" and other sources, Saudi Arabia is in talks to acquire for its air force 55 turboprop training aircraft Pilatus PC-21 and 60 jet trainer aircraft BAE Systems Hawk Mk 128 (Hawk T.2). Immediately the contract will be awarded to the corporation BAE Systems, which will make Saudi Arabia a supplier of both types of machines. Confirmation of the transaction can be expected within "less than two months" (which apparently means that about her could be announced at the Farnborough Airshow in July). BAE Systems declined to comment on any reports of possible sales of aircraft of Saudi Arabia. Aircraft PC-21 and Hawk Mk 128 to replace the Air Force in Saudi Arabia is now operated by, respectively, the aircraft Pilatus PC-9 (47 cars) and Hawk Mk 65/65A (29 machines ), purchased from the same BAE in the eighties. In 2011, two PC-21 aircraft owned by Pilatus, passed the test cycle in Saudi Arabia. planned acquisition has become the largest contract in the PC-21 aircraft. To date, eight aircraft delivered Rilatus PC-21 Swiss Air Force and 12 cars of Singapore Air Force implements the contract to supply 25 aircraft the UAE and has a contract to supply 12 planes to Qatar. first training aircraft Pilatus PC-21 (ceriyny Room 128, tail number 934), built for the Air Force United Arab Emirates. 22/11/2010 (c) Pilatus Aircraft

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/

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Subject: The Royal Saudi Air Force - A Paper Tiger, Minus the Tiger
ex-expat 2/9/2003 6:56:15 PM
The Royal Saudi Air Force couldn't fight (or fly) it's way out of a wet paper bag. They spent a whole lot of money on 72 new F-15S's, but have a pilot corps that are "fair-weather" flyers (both figuratively and literally). But even if they had pilots that would fly under all conditions (particularly combat conditions), too bad - they don't have any maintenance capability. All of that are done by American ex-pats (for F-15's) and British (for Tornado's). A side note here: There may be only 4-500 Americans servicing the F-15s, but nearly 3000 Brits to service half that many Tornado's. The joke at Dhahran AB is that the static display of a Tornado on a pedestal at the main gate is the only Tornado that they can keep in the air. You also have to understand how the money flows to get an even better idea of RSAF readiness (or total lack thereof). All Base commanders usually are members of the Royal family (or married into it) - and it is a money cow. The greatest number of personnel on an RSAF base is TCN's (third-country-nationals), thousands and thousands of Bangladesh, Indian, Philippine workers. Contracts are written up that provide millions in kick-backs - some of course goes to the base commander. But that doesn't even touch the billions of dollars into the purchase of all those aircraft - it's for the kickbacks, not national defense (what do you think the U.S. Air Force is there for?). Now American defense contractors make a killing, why should they care either? For example. first Boeing and then Raytheon made billions on putting in a highly sophisticated air command and control system called "Peace Shield", but it was and remains flawed. One example: The system is suppose to identify friendly vs. hostile aircraft so the Royal Saudi Air Defense Command (that's right a service totally separate from the RSAF)can fire. The RSAF has a control command which is suppose to tell the Air defense people to "hold fire". But what really happens is that when the RSAF pushes the button to command "hold fire" the Air Defense consoles light-up with the command to "fire". As if this minor technical flaw wasn't enough, billions in billing were added to give all these command centers filtered air systems for protection against NBC. Great on paper to make the billing statement, but non-existant in reality. I could go on-and-on about lack of training as well. One example has Saudi maintenence personnel towing a "hot" (just landed) F-15 into a hangar. Plane catches fire, burns up with the hangar. What happened? Well no discipline on the Saudi dumb-asses, but their training records were pulled and numerous ex-pats sent home because they had signed off on training them. Since the training obviously did not stick, it was obviously an ex-pat trainer who was to blame. Not the dumb-asses, not there Saudi NCO or Officer chain-of-command, but ex-pats. The only time a saudi maintenence troop is allowed anywhere near an aircraft with any tool in his hand is when Saudi VIPs are on a tour - it would be funny if these senior RSAF officers knew enough to ask their troops what they maintennce was being done - but they don't. Don't even get into the sub-levels of tribal allegiences that totally disrupts any concept of chain-of-command or military discipline. If you are from the right tribe you get the works, guick promotions (get the answers to your SKT and promotion tests),and other perks - even out-of-Kingdom training (like in the U.S.), even if you just burnt down a hangar on top of a $50M F-15 (oh yes folks the Saudi payment for each aircraft is about double for all those kick-backs to Prince Sultan, Minister of Defense and Aviation (he owns/oversees Saudi Arabian Airlines as well). But if you are one of the few motivated, intelligent members of the RSAF and happen to be from the wrong tribe - well if you were ever a first yearman at VMI/Citadel you sorta get my drift. To wrap this up, the RSAF is the most efficient branch of the Saudi military (with the exception of it's internal intelligence network) - so you can imagine the horror stories from ex-pats working with the Saudi Land Forces, Naval Forces, or Saudi National Guard. So that leaves us with the question of who protects all those vast oil fields - that's right, our good old Uncle Sam. Who protects to Royal House of Saud? Well besides keeping their protection money, I mean insurance premiums, paid in full to Osama Bin Laden (who I have every confidence is hiding in one of his families "farms" - oh that is another story for another day about how the Bin Laden Group had the contract to build all the new barracks at Prince Sultan Air Base after the Khobar bombing, sort of a nice/profitable coincidence huh?). Well the Royal family has our military protect their entire country, but they have a fine cadre of ex-CIA, ex-FBI, ex-Navy Seals getting paid very well to be their own private security arm (not unlike Saddam's Republican Guard).

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/40-173.aspx#startofcomments
une image pas très reluisante sur l’armée de l'air Saoudienne

Aravis Goes To Arabia

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April 29, 2012: France has obtained its first export sale for its Aravis MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected). Saudi Arabia has bought a hundred Aravis vehicles, with an option to quickly get another hundred. This 4x4, 12.5 ton vehicle is six meters (18.6 feet) long, 2.5 meters (7.8 feet) wide and high. The Aravis can carry up to eight people (six is more common) The Aravis is considered superior, in terms of protection, to most other MRAPs. The vehicle is based on the commercial Unimog U5000 heavy truck. Most MRAPs are basically heavily armored trucks that are modified to survive nearby explosions. Aravis was developed only four years ago[

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hta.../20120429.aspx

yak a écrit:

Citation :

Subject: The Royal Saudi Air Force - A Paper Tiger, Minus the Tiger
ex-expat 2/9/2003 6:56:15 PM
The Royal Saudi Air Force couldn't fight (or fly) it's way out of a wet paper bag. They spent a whole lot of money on 72 new F-15S's, but have a pilot corps that are "fair-weather" flyers (both figuratively and literally). But even if they had pilots that would fly under all conditions (particularly combat conditions), too bad - they don't have any maintenance capability. All of that are done by American ex-pats (for F-15's) and British (for Tornado's). A side note here: There may be only 4-500 Americans servicing the F-15s, but nearly 3000 Brits to service half that many Tornado's. The joke at Dhahran AB is that the static display of a Tornado on a pedestal at the main gate is the only Tornado that they can keep in the air. You also have to understand how the money flows to get an even better idea of RSAF readiness (or total lack thereof). All Base commanders usually are members of the Royal family (or married into it) - and it is a money cow. The greatest number of personnel on an RSAF base is TCN's (third-country-nationals), thousands and thousands of Bangladesh, Indian, Philippine workers. Contracts are written up that provide millions in kick-backs - some of course goes to the base commander. But that doesn't even touch the billions of dollars into the purchase of all those aircraft - it's for the kickbacks, not national defense (what do you think the U.S. Air Force is there for?). Now American defense contractors make a killing, why should they care either? For example. first Boeing and then Raytheon made billions on putting in a highly sophisticated air command and control system called "Peace Shield", but it was and remains flawed. One example: The system is suppose to identify friendly vs. hostile aircraft so the Royal Saudi Air Defense Command (that's right a service totally separate from the RSAF)can fire. The RSAF has a control command which is suppose to tell the Air defense people to "hold fire". But what really happens is that when the RSAF pushes the button to command "hold fire" the Air Defense consoles light-up with the command to "fire". As if this minor technical flaw wasn't enough, billions in billing were added to give all these command centers filtered air systems for protection against NBC. Great on paper to make the billing statement, but non-existant in reality. I could go on-and-on about lack of training as well. One example has Saudi maintenence personnel towing a "hot" (just landed) F-15 into a hangar. Plane catches fire, burns up with the hangar. What happened? Well no discipline on the Saudi dumb-asses, but their training records were pulled and numerous ex-pats sent home because they had signed off on training them. Since the training obviously did not stick, it was obviously an ex-pat trainer who was to blame. Not the dumb-asses, not there Saudi NCO or Officer chain-of-command, but ex-pats. The only time a saudi maintenence troop is allowed anywhere near an aircraft with any tool in his hand is when Saudi VIPs are on a tour - it would be funny if these senior RSAF officers knew enough to ask their troops what they maintennce was being done - but they don't. Don't even get into the sub-levels of tribal allegiences that totally disrupts any concept of chain-of-command or military discipline. If you are from the right tribe you get the works, guick promotions (get the answers to your SKT and promotion tests),and other perks - even out-of-Kingdom training (like in the U.S.), even if you just burnt down a hangar on top of a $50M F-15 (oh yes folks the Saudi payment for each aircraft is about double for all those kick-backs to Prince Sultan, Minister of Defense and Aviation (he owns/oversees Saudi Arabian Airlines as well). But if you are one of the few motivated, intelligent members of the RSAF and happen to be from the wrong tribe - well if you were ever a first yearman at VMI/Citadel you sorta get my drift. To wrap this up, the RSAF is the most efficient branch of the Saudi military (with the exception of it's internal intelligence network) - so you can imagine the horror stories from ex-pats working with the Saudi Land Forces, Naval Forces, or Saudi National Guard. So that leaves us with the question of who protects all those vast oil fields - that's right, our good old Uncle Sam. Who protects to Royal House of Saud? Well besides keeping their protection money, I mean insurance premiums, paid in full to Osama Bin Laden (who I have every confidence is hiding in one of his families "farms" - oh that is another story for another day about how the Bin Laden Group had the contract to build all the new barracks at Prince Sultan Air Base after the Khobar bombing, sort of a nice/profitable coincidence huh?). Well the Royal family has our military protect their entire country, but they have a fine cadre of ex-CIA, ex-FBI, ex-Navy Seals getting paid very well to be their own private security arm (not unlike Saddam's Republican Guard).

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/40-173.aspx#startofcomments
une image pas très reluisante sur l’armée de l'air Saoudienne

l'image qui est faite des forces aériennes saoudiennes est effrayante, l'article dit que faute de maintenance certains avions brulent et crament littéralement dans et sur leurs parcs de stationnement.
Plus que cela, si les forces aériennes saoudiennes tombent en ruinent alors qu'ils sont considérés comme les plus efficients des branches de l'armée saoudiennes, que devrait ton dire des autres branches ; défense aérienne, armée de terre, marine saoudienne qui selon l'auteur de l'article dit qu'elles sont truffés d’incohérences et de dysfonctionnements selon les milliers d'histoires terrifiantes rapportées par les milliers de contractuels étrangers (contractors) : bengladechis, indiens, pakistanais, américains (plus de quatre mille) et britannique (plus de trois mille britanniques) servants dans les bases militaires saoudiennes

une autre mauvaise nouvelle 2 craches d avions en 24 heures
un F15C crachée en mer le pilote est mort
un avion hawk pilote éjectée

et pourtant ils sont à cheval sur la maintenance dans la Saudi Air Force

c'est les américain qui entretienne tous

crache d'un avion tornado chez las saoude pas de mort

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واس- الرياض: صرح مصدر مسؤول بوزارة الدفاع أنه بينما كانت الطائرة المقاتلة من نوع تورنيدو التابعة للقوات الجوية الملكية السعودية في مهمة تدريبية روتينية، عصر اليوم الاثنين 1/ 4/ 1434هـ في ميدان التدريب بقاعدة الملك عبدالعزيز الجوية بالظهران، تعرضت لخلل فني أدى إلى سقوطها، ونجاة طاقهما بحمد الله.

وبين المصدر أن الجهات المختصة شكلت فريقاً فنياً للتحقيق في أسباب سقوط الطائرة.

http://sabq.org/m3wfde

ces avions, Tornado GR-4 commencement à montrer de l'age. de plus les cellules ne sont plus aussi fraiche suite à leur utilisation intensive en entrainement (suite aux deux guerre du golf, bombardement contre hawthi, et préparation conflit éventuel contre iran) cela réduit de moité la durée de vie de vos cellules.

oui il sont trop ancien mais les saoudien renouvle leur park avec des nouveau f-15 et typhi

l'arnaque du typhi ils ont acheté un avions tranche 2 donc qui fait rien que du air air alors que le torndo c'est comme un su 24 un chasseur polyvalent optimise pour le air sol

il on du la tranche 2?? la 3 non???

non que le 2 le 3 n'est meme pas opérationnel

c'est pluto la tranche 4 qui n'est pas encore opérationnel non? de plus elle sera trop cher

j ai dit opérationnel pas en production

oui c vrai :$ mais si il on la tranche 2 c'est pas terrible mais eux au moin il peuvent se permletre de tout la question et quecequi nous reste comme option a nous a part le mig-35

plus de SU 30